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[–]TocYounger 25 points26 points ago

over here in japan, people give each other gifts from trips. if you take a trip somewhere, bring back something that is unique to that specific region and give it to him. when you give it to him tell him some background info about the gift.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 1 point2 points ago

This is good advice, thanks!

[–]atgm[東京都] 20 points21 points ago

Sounds like he's a nice guy. Just continue thanking him and bring him something (you can afford) whenever you go on trips or have an opportunity, like he does.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for your advice, I am going on a trip in April and I'll try and bring something neat back then.

[–]NinjaViking 8 points9 points ago

I wasn't raised in Japan, only half Japanese, but I think some sweets would be appropriate, especially bringing some regional stuff back from a trip.

Also, wrap them beautifully! That's very important in Japanese culture. Google "Japanese gift wrapping", it's a big thing over there.

[–]WishiCouldRead[青森県 2 points3 points ago

A lot of gifts are given in the normal plastic bag that came from the store you bought it from. Of course, a lot of stores in the states use generic plastic bags, so it doesn't fly as well.

It's a strange dichotomy to have some gifts come in wrapping that's beyond what we'd do in the states, and some gifts to come in plastic shopping bags, which we'd never dream of doing.

[–]wonkydonky[東京都] 2 points3 points ago

The gifts are supposed to go in the paper bags; not the plastic bags. That's a major faux pas.

[–]WishiCouldRead[青森県 2 points3 points ago

What about paper bags in plastic bags? I've gotten that before. Besides, companies (like Tokyo Banana) give you extra plastic bags to distribute omiyage.

[–]wonkydonky[東京都] 3 points4 points ago

I think it depends on the type of plastic... If it's something like from a convenience store or the supermarket, then that's right out, but if it's a nice bag from a department store that looks like paper, but is made out of plastic, then that's fine. You have to read the air. :(

[–]zeros_and_ones 1 point2 points ago

Tokyo Banana! yes! Don't you love the girl's uniforms? I remember them being very quirky.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for your advice! Whatever I get I will be sure to present well.

[–]Catfisherman 7 points8 points ago

Japanese people like to give small gifts to each other, particularly after trips out of town (as others have mentioned). Japanese people also are very humble and will play down their own actions and will likely attempt to refuse gifts in response to their kindness. Just insist that he take whatever your offering. If you want to shock him say "Oh-Ray-Nee" as you give him something, it translates, effectively, to "In thanks" but is super formal and will make his refusal an insult so he has to take it.

Meanwhile I don't think you're missing some important Japanese cultural aspect or anything.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 0 points1 point ago

Thank you for your advice, I am going out of town for a bit in early April and I will try to get him something cool and regional specific then.

[–]falalamilkshake 5 points6 points ago

He sounds like a really nice guy! I was going to suggest come cooking, but I'm not sure that would work with you both working crazy hours and the cookies just bringing you more things, haha. Buuut, Japanese people tend to like making nice dinners for friends and hanging out. So, maybe something like that but without the 'oh, this is to say thank you for...'?

[–]slizzardtime[S] 0 points1 point ago*

I will try and cook a big meal for my apartment sometime soon when I have time off. It's so hard to schedule things where we both have free time however. Maybe I could just make a plate for him and leave it in the fridge :/

Edit: also you said don't make a big deal of saying that it is a return gift specifically?

[–]falalamilkshake 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, from what I understand there's a kind of...return a gift with a gift thing in Japan. I'm sure if you make a point of giving him something in thanks, you'll end up with more nice things. By the way...if they're so burdensome...I'll gladly help you out. :P

[–]Koyore 4 points5 points ago

gifting is a difficult matter-too little is an insult, but too much is also, and forces the gifting to increase. gift small things-a flower arrangement, stationary, nice pen, etc. Just leave it for him-as he does you. You can also google Japanese holidays-tons of them, and gift on that date. He see the clothes as a friendly gesture-not the retail value-so do not get pricey with him.

[–]Wormhog 2 points3 points ago

Exactly, the key is to be thoughtful, not spendy. If he gives you several gifts a year, think of him a couple times a year. Cookies, a flower arrangement (something simple and elegant), or maybe some chocolate.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 1 point2 points ago

I like the idea of just leaving a nice gift by his door, as I can be super shy and awkward myself. Is a small potted plant or flower an acceptable gift like flower arrangements are?

[–]wonkydonky[東京都] 7 points8 points ago

It's called the "infinite gift spiral".

In Japan, when somebody gives you a gift, you must give them a return gift. When someone gives you a return gift, you must give them a return return gift. Repeat ad infinitum. The return gift should be roughly in equal value to the gift that was previously given.

Now, this presents a conundrum. If you give a gift that is too expensive, then it's actually a burden on the other person. Also, when you give someone gifts, you have to really play it down very convincingly that it's nothing major, that it's something you just had laying around, that it's not a big deal. Maybe it was just lying around; maybe it wasn't. You have to look at the situation and figure out what's really going on.

You said he works in the fashion industry. In the fashion industry, the retail markup is huge, and the cost of manufacture is virtually negligible, so it's likely that these name-brand designer outfits he has are actually only worth ~$5 or less to him, even though they're $200+ per item for other people.

You said you have a boyfriend and he's well aware of it. It seems to me that he just likes giving gifts (as Japanese are wont to do). It seems like he's just a nice and polite guy and I would not think too much of it.

You should get him some gifts back. Particularly good gifts would be things from your hometown, or souvenirs from any time you visit some place. Additionally, you could try baking him a cake or something like that. I'm not sure exactly how much name-brand designer outfits cost for people in the industry, but you could probably do some google-fu to figure that sort of thing out, and find out an appropriate price range for reciprocal gifts.

It's an endless cycle and you can never leave it. Sorry, but you're stuck for life :(

(Also, I suspect that he's homosexual. Japanese are very discrete about this sort of thing, so it's possible that you'd never notice if he were. You have to use a very finely tuned gaydar.)

If you want to reciprocate his kindness, you could go out of your way to be very quiet in the apartment. Silence in domiciles is something that is the norm in Japan, yet quite different in the West. Of course, maybe he's a rock star and this doesn't apply. :P

[–]slizzardtime[S] 1 point2 points ago

Thank you for your thoughtful response! I was afraid of something like this infinite gift-giving spiral existing! This is what happened when I gave him cookies.

I feel like the clothing really isn't a big deal for him as he really does have a lot of clothing laying about. He used to work quite closely for a womenswear designer and all of the stuff he has given me (while extremely lovely) was from collections several years past that never sold or whatnot. But it's still super nice, again. I wish there was a comperable product from my workplace but sadly no.

I am a very quiet roommate who is rarely home, so I intend to keep that up. I am also going to try to cook him some unique food from my region of the US.

[–]wonkydonky[東京都] 1 point2 points ago

I am also going to try to cook him some unique food from my region of the US.

Sounds like a great idea.

[–]zaphod777[神奈川県] 2 points3 points ago

typically in Japan you will give a gift back each time. It doesn't necessarily matter how much since it was free to him.

If you are out of town bring something interesting back but in the mean time maybe pick him up something related to what he is interested in or offer for you and your boyfriend to take him out for dinner sometime.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 0 points1 point ago

Hmmm, I don't really know too much about what he is interested in but I'll try to find out. Thank you for your advice.

[–]TheEvilDick[三重県] 1 point2 points ago

I was going to make an evil comment about it not being sexual for you or about it being an apology because he's wearing/doing things in your cloths while you're gone. But dammit people have been so nice on here they're taking the fun out of my internet. I'll be sulking in my corner if anyone needs an evil smartass comment.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 1 point2 points ago

Yeah! Everyone on r/Japan has been sooo nice and helpful! What a great subreddit.

[–]NixonInhell 0 points1 point ago

Why do you have to do it the Japanese way? Show him some US hospitality. What would you do if he was American? Do that.

[–]wonkydonky[東京都] 2 points3 points ago

If I were a girl and an American guy kept on giving me designer clothes, I'd have to tell him that I already have a boyfriend.

It's not hard to just give some reciprocal gifts in return. There's certainly nothing wrong with it.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 0 points1 point ago

If I did it the American way I think I would get him a really nice thank you card and continue to do nice things like offer him baked goods when I do make them. Do you think this is an appropriate response?

[–]NixonInhell 0 points1 point ago

Sounds good to me. I think someone else suggested that you and your boyfriend take him out for dinner. I'm sure a big reason why he left Japan was to experience American culture. Show him some.

[–]slizzardtime[S] 0 points1 point ago

Hmmm, well I think he's lived in the US for over ten years and has American and international friends, so I'm not sure how much culture I could really show him, but I will definitely consider this. Maybe we could go out to a nice bar in our neighborhood or something... though I'm not sure if he drinks.

[–]Misaiato 0 points1 point ago

Japanese people appreciate expensive alcohol. Find out what he likes to drink, and find a bottle of that brand which is nicely wrapped and packaged and present it to him.

Whiskey is very popular as it's expensive over there due to import duties, and their native branded whiskies are understood to be inferior to brands from EU nations or even from the US. He may or may not like this - but he will appreciate the gesture and at a minimum you gave him something he can re-gift to great effect.

(re-gifting is very common - just don't re-gift it to someone he knows!)