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[–]yoshiary 9 points10 points ago

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In the episode he's accompanied by a woman named Idris. You can see her in the trailers for the season overlooking the scrapyard planet. No one knows who she is, but the assumption is that the title somehow relates to her.

EDIT: Or you know, the whole ep could just be Ms. Monroe wishing the Doctor a happy birthday.

[–]cymbrelynnTennant 6 points7 points ago

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There have actually been theories going around that the scrapyard is a time machine graveyard and that Idris is a personification of the TARDIS. I find this pretty plausible actually. From interviews I read, Neil Gaiman wrote the story to be specifically heartwrenching and romantic. Who has been the one constant companion after all?

[–]Darkblitz9McCoy 1 point2 points ago

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This makes me a little sad, but it makes sense. Idris sounds familiar to TARDIS and if it's true all I can think of is: Please DW don't make me cry again . thinks back to the 9th and 10th regens and some of the more weepy scenes of the series ;_____;

[–]amaurer[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Really? Where? I'm not sure I've seen that (Idris looking over the planet) :) Link?

[–]yoshiary 0 points1 point ago

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One and two Also, I should have clarified. They're overlooking a scrapyard, presumably on an alien planet as it probably wouldn't be on Earth.

[–]elegantmonkeyTom Baker 1 point2 points ago

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Alex Kingston isn't in the credits for episode 4 either. I doubt it's about River.

[–]amaurer[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Well that was a smart way to check. :)

[–]jayratch 1 point2 points ago

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Upvoted for the edit.

By the way, am I alone in feeling like the Doctor in 1969 doesn't seem to remember the The Library or The Pandorica storylines? I expected him to act like he knows River just a bit better...

then again, his intimate anticipation of her actions and words in the Oval Office do suggest that he in fact knows her VERY well.

I'm confused.

[–]NumlocksTARDIS 8 points9 points ago

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I think River Song is really the 12th Doctor regeneration coming back in time to have sex with himself.

[–]formermormonTennant 3 points4 points ago

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I can only hope that art imitates Rule 34. Are you listening, Moffat????

[–]savageboredomTennant 7 points8 points ago

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I don't know if you have it exactly right or not, but I'm pretty certain that "The Doctor's Wife" doesn't refer to River. That would just be too obvious.

Your suggestion does sound pretty viable though. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[–]lyenlion 4 points5 points ago

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Maybe Moffat wants it so obvious no one will believe it.

[–]Slythis 2 points3 points ago

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You're walking the edge of a dangerous cliff. Fall off and you get stuck in a loop of "But maybe he knows that we know that he knows it's too obvious..."

[–]kpberry 4 points5 points ago

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I think its going to be the Tardis. I read an interview where Gaiman got a buddy to make a list of all the parts of the Tardis ever shown in the episodes. I bet we are going to learn a lot about the Doctor's one constant love. The Tardis is alive too remember.

[–]Hooded_DemonSmith 2 points3 points ago

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Gaiman is quoted as saying that Idris may be an old friend with a new face, so that would certqainly fit. Not to mention the fact that there is some similarity between the words Idris and TARDIS, almost a half anagram if you will.

[–]elegantmonkeyTom Baker 2 points3 points ago

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Interesting idea... that might explain the scene in the Series 6 trailers where Rory and Amy were in 9/10's TARDIS.

[–]JakeoffskiTARDIS 0 points1 point ago

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Very astute eye there elegantmonkey. Watched the trailer 5 times before I spotted it.

[–]froggamad 2 points3 points ago

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The Doctor's Wife is episode 4, written by Neil Gaiman, probably not referring to River Song.

Episode 7 is in fact called "A Good Man Goes to War".

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/episodes/series-6-2011

[–]amaurer[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Ah, thanks! Edited :)

[–]EatBooks 2 points3 points ago*

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Gaiman's stories are wonderful things. They have reoccurring motifs, too, and one of these motifs is personification. Most famously, he's written about two different versions of Death, one a preppy Goth girl (The Sandman), the other a white-haired maiden on a white horse (The Graveyard Book), but he has a number of others.

In one comic, "The Heart of a Star" from his collection Endless Nights galaxies and stars meet as people near the beginning of creation to discuss the rules of the universe. It feels, oddly, like a Doctor Who episode. If they had an infinite amount of money for special effects.

Then there are short stories like "Looking for the Girl" and "How to Talk to Girls at Parties", both about women who embody something more than they look like.

I think that the Doctor's wife, Idris, is the TARDIS. She's been there for him for hundreds of years, has always been a part of the show, and wouldn't be jealous of his female companions as she isn't human (or a woman, really, though that certainly wouldn't stop her from being a lady).

That's what I think, anyway. It seems to make the most sense and would certainly fit in with the feel of both Gaiman's writing and Moffat's story direction for the show. Also, I can't find compelling evidence it WOULDN'T be her, unless anyone has any!

[–]digitall565Davison 0 points1 point ago

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I don't mean to be too nit-picky considering that everyone here has made the same assumption without spoiler tags, but kind of pointless to use a spoiler tag and then provide a very detailed description of the subject :P

[–]EatBooks 0 points1 point ago

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Haha! You're right.

It's still speculation at this point, though.

[–]BarelyReal 1 point2 points ago

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I recall Gaiman talking about how he had to add Rory to the episode because it was originally planned for Series 5 and would have taken place around the time of The Lodger.

[–]day-ah 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you. THANK YOU. I feel less weird seeing someone else post this idea.

I haven't been reading a lot of theories and such around here just because I get bored, but I've seen a bit about the episode called "The Doctor's Wife." and that's what I thought.

If you recall in "Amy's Choice" I think, not positive since I have watched it over and over, that Rory was a doctor. Yeah. I like your idea, not specifically to the T same as my thoughts, but damn close enough.

[–]jayratch 1 point2 points ago

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You'd think that in 2000 years of hanging out outside the Pandorica he would have had time to wrap up med school.

[–]akathatguy2 1 point2 points ago

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It's Marilyn Monroe.

[–]mordecaidrake 0 points1 point ago

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She definitely isn't the Doctor's wife. If she was a Time Lord he'd know, as said by the 10th Doctor where he said they can tell when another Time Lord is around. I think you're correct in your assumption that The Doctor's Wife is a play on words to refer to Amy as Roy will be/is a doctor. The Face of Bo said to the 10th, that 'You Are Not Alone', which was a play on words for Yana, who turned out to the be Master, which was pointed out. He is the the last one, there aren't any others except the Master.

[–]scsocEccleston 3 points4 points ago

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Why would the Doctor necessarily have to marry a Time Lord? I know there have been references to inter-species relationships in the show before, so the Doctor wouldn't be exempt from that.

[–]mordecaidrake 2 points3 points ago

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That's true, she could be a human from his future. However after what happened with Rose I doubt he'd want to live that kind of situation.

[–]scsocEccleston 0 points1 point ago

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I've always thought the problem with Rose is that she would grow old and die while the Doctor did not. With River, that is not a problem because as the Doctor ages, she is getting younger, thereby circumventing the only issue between Human-Time Lord relationships.

[–]mimus 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah...except for that part where she dies. Also, he'll get to the point where she'll be a little girl, and then to the point before she was born, and you have the same problem.

[–]scsocEccleston 1 point2 points ago

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The Doctor is a pedophile?

[–]mimus 2 points3 points ago

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[–]scsocEccleston 0 points1 point ago

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hahaha, thank you for that. I was worried about the possible backlash of saying such a thing, but you've restored my faith in this subreddit's sense of humor.

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[–]masturbating_fetuses 5 points6 points ago

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Jenny is not a Time Lord. She's a clone with Gallifreyan DNA. To be a Time Lord requires you look into the Vortex in the Untempered Schism.

[–]Animated_effigyDavison 2 points3 points ago

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Well... that's one thing.

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[–]masturbating_fetuses 1 point2 points ago

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At the age of eight Gallifreyan children left their families and entered the Academy, and were taken as novices to the Untempered Schism to look into the whole of the Vortex and the raw power of time and Space.

She didn't look into the Vortex. She is not a Time Lord.

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[–]masturbating_fetuses 0 points1 point ago

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Where in canon was she listed as a Time Lady? When she died, she died, she didn't regenerate. Regeneration is one of the defining characteristics of the Time Lords.

The only reason why she's still alive is because the terraforming agents were still around and revived her body.

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[–]masturbating_fetuses 2 points3 points ago

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We have the Doctor talking about what happens when you become a Time Lord throughout the series.

No one in the series has called her a Time Lord. She's a clone with Gallifreyan DNA.

Ten told her:

In the episode itself the Doctor says to Jenny, "You're an echo, that's all. A Time Lord is so much more. A sum of knowledge, a code, shared history, shared suffering"

Even when he does accept her as his daughter, he only says:

"You're going to be more than great; you're going to be amazing".

edit: She's still available for stories, that's why she's alive, but as a Time Lord, like The Doctor or the Master? I don't think so. She's something else entirely.

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[–]CharlemagneIS 0 points1 point ago

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He didn't recognize The Master as Professor Yana. River could have just chameleon arched herself

[–]mordecaidrake 0 points1 point ago

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Touche, however she wouldn't be able to remember all that she knows. When the Doctor recalled all this stuff it was only in dreams, she's consciously remembering all this information.

[–]yethegodless 0 points1 point ago

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Totally unrelated, but Jesus I just noticed the background image, and really freaked me out for a second.

[–]usylo 0 points1 point ago

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Doubt it.

"The Doctor's Wife" was written by Neil Gaiman, and in a recent interview he mentioned that it was supposed to be episode 11 of the first series, but that it was pushed due to budget reasons (hence The Lodger, much cheaper to produce than a typical Who script, and adapted from an earlier comic starring the Tenth Doctor).

Anyways, Neil Gaiman specifically mentions that Rory wasn't in his original script (consider the timeframe of S1/E11; makes sense), and was only added when the episode was pushed back. BUT he does mention that he was very happy to write Rory into the script.

It would seem like an awful lot of rewriting to make those two the focus. Besides, Neil Gaiman's got bigger ideas in his head than those two.

Interview here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MESGZoFcKWk