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[–][deleted] 26 points27 points ago

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How long does it take to get better? I've been waiting 30 years.

[–]jamesneysmith 14 points15 points ago

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14 for me, but I get the feeling that 'waiting' is not the appropriate attitude and it actually takes a lot of work which I haven't probably put in.

[–]7oby 5 points6 points ago

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You have to take action, what have you done so far? Seen a doctor or therapist? Tried any medications? Exercised? Looked at your diet?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I've done everything except see a therapist.

I've always managed to convince myself that I am "rationally" depressed, as opposed to clinically depressed. That is, there was a reason I was depressed, and that only people who had some medical or genetic issue should see a doctor. Otherwise it was weakness.

Later on I've come to think that a "normal" person's brain chemistry is fundamentally different. Even tho I feel logical and sane, normal people aren't exactly this way, they are happier and more optimistic in their default stage, and this gives them more base momentum. When I take certain drugs I feel I'm getting a glimpse of what normal people are like. When I drink beer I suspect thats how most people can talk to women without crippling fear, or when I'm on e, thats how normal people a social connection to their friends.

I'm now looking in to a medical solution to hack my brain.

[–]daravinne 8 points9 points ago

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If you are "rationally" depressed, a therapist is the best thing you can do for yourself to help your rational mind. Someone else you can talk to to take the things in your head outside your head and deal with them.

For a really long time I felt that my own depression, failing at life, etc was just me "being weak" or "being a failure" and its a mindset more than anything else. You just reinforce it every day, you think it and things happen that "prove" it and it makes a feedback loop. I felt the same things you felt, other people are just better, I need drugs to feel like normal people feel, everyone is just happier and doesn't exist with this constant hum inside the head. I eventually bottomed out, in a way, I felt I needed to either kill myself for real or figure out how to fix this, and i started fixing it. It takes a while to "see results" as it were, with about a year's worth of dedicated therapy, multipronged life changes and practicing different modes of thinking, I see the beginnings of real mental pattern change, and I'm learning more about myself and what I need to provide in my life to be happier and healthier.

I refuse to be on antidepressants. I'd rather take the hard road, clearheaded, than make myself dependent on drugs that I would most likely become dependent on. I take adderall for focus but that's it.

I encourage you to give therapy an honest try. You will probably walk in and be like "the fuck am i doing? who is this person?" It takes time and effort to learn to trust your therapist. It helps if you remember you are effectively paying them to be unconditionally accepting of who you are, and if you find your therapist isn't that, find another one. Don't feel stuck with the first one you find.

I also found it helpful to classify my mental states and behaviors. This resulted in me applying a long list of mental disorders to myself, and I felt like an emo teenager for a little bit, but classifying helps because it gives you a starting point to dealing with a chunk of yourself. There are resources out there to help with ADD, dissociative disorders, PTSD, social anxiety types, compulsive behaviors. I can access tools to help myself simply by labeling a set of behaviors; you can't search for solutions without the search terms.

I hope some of this helps, if you'd like to talk more for info or just to talk let me know.

[–]V2Blast 3 points4 points ago

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...Why haven't you tried therapy? I feel like "rational depression" is precisely the kind of depression that therapy is most likely to help.

[–]instant_street 2 points3 points ago

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10 for me. Still waiting...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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For me it's been 5 years. But these recent days I've felt great. I have no idea why tho. I haven't felt this good in years. So I'm enjoying this so called "vacation" or "break" until I relapse again.

[–]specialkake 2 points3 points ago

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Around 32 years.

[–]FrankManic 9 points10 points ago

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Your message is good. Thanks. Had a shitty morning and it's somehow indescribably better to know that you know.

[–]ranautricularia[S] 6 points7 points ago

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Thanks. Good luck with the rest of your day.

[–]St_Dymphna 6 points7 points ago

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Thank you.

[–]ariffk 5 points6 points ago

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I don't know you, but I'm both happy and proud of you for not giving up. Keep going.

[–]MrGravy 5 points6 points ago

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Thank you for posting this. It really changed around an otherwise shitty day.

[–]dancinqt5013 5 points6 points ago

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I wish someone had told me this stuff when I was at my lowest, and I hope I'll remember this if I reach another low. One of the worst things about depression is that it screws up your entire outlook. You can't think of yourself or your situation in a positive light. But truthfully you just have to wait it out because you're not worthless, even though you feel that way. But it will get better. It may not get well, but it will get better. And, this goes without saying, but get professional help. Whether that's seeing a counselor and talking it out or seeing a doctor and getting meds.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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i often find myself in complete seclusion because people tend to blame me for everything such as health care, jobs, money, and social position in life. According to the general norm i guess im supposed to be working in an office and making 100 grand a year, and hte people working at mcdonalds are the scum of the earth. I hide because people are cruel and will bring me down for who i am.

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[–]ranautricularia[S] 6 points7 points ago

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I'm so sorry.

I'm wondering what you mean about ECT. I've had two friends go through it and aside from some memory loss issues (which were cleared up after a month or so) they both credit it with saving their lives.

What've you seen that it does?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Have you been tested for food allergies (blood test, scratch doesn't work)? Tested for vitamin D levels, omega 3 to omega 6 balance? Do you get enough magnesium in your diet (try Natural Calm before bed)? Have you had your testosterone levels and hormones in general (cortisol, estrogen, progesterone) checked? Please look under the hood and see what the root cause might be.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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No problem, also keep in mind that "acceptable" testosterone numbers for docs is really low. Basically you can be 27 yrs old but have the test level of a 70 yr old and they think it's acceptable.

Taking food allergies out has been huge for me. I eat the Paleo diet but a more strict version of also no eggs and no nightshade. If you google Paleo diet and depression and bunch of stuff should come up.

[–]ohwellcouldbeworse 0 points1 point ago

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I would say you are in denial, and (I know it's cliché) but as soon as you admit hat the problem is you can start the path to recovery. Deep down I always knew what my problems where, but I guess each person is individual, and so my advice, or thoughts, may not be any help, fuck me I'm drunk and this makes no sense. I'd ignore me, but mate, get better, please, for me, for yourself, for everyone who loves you, I love you, find something that makes you happy, however hard that may be.

[–]diverfromdenver 4 points5 points ago

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Wow, thanks for putting your thoughts together for us. I relate to them all, but have managed to get through each of them with help from my doc and some of my own work.

The one I still get stuck on is "I shouldn't be in a relationship or have kids because I don't want someone else to suffer with me." My depression is treated and controlled, but is certainly still present. I'd feel guilty for passing it on to my kids, or for choosing to have a family when I know there are times that I just can't be cheerful and supportive of other people.

Do you have any input on these thoughts?

[–]ranautricularia[S] 2 points3 points ago

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I'd feel guilty for passing it on to my kids

Oh dear, this is something I think about a lot. I read a while ago that people with mental illness tend to be more reluctant to have children than people with known genetic disorders, because of the fear of passing the illness on to their kids. I've definitely felt that way before, and it's a difficult choice I'll have to make when I get to that point. Complicating everything is the fact that many meds are known/thought to cause birth defects if taken during pregnancy, so I don't know what I would do about that.

I'm currently in somewhat of a relationship (with another redditor, actually) and a week in I've already tried to bolt twice. It's tough. It's really hard. It takes a saint to put up with me. I've written about this issue elsewhere, but I prefer to date other people with issues so that our relationship is more equal. The current guy is very normal by any standards and I'm having some problems with that.

What are your thoughts? I'd be interested in hearing an elaboration.

[–]diverfromdenver 1 point2 points ago

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Interesting comment about seeking out relationships with people with issues so you'll be more equal. I had a psych professor (I took one class, I'm not an expert!) that talked about the two theories of attraction. The first is the people seek out the most attractive person they can get. These people are confident, and are after the figurative trophy. The second theory is that people seek out others who they perceive to be of the same level of attractiveness as themselves. These people feel more secure with someone that they see as their equal. I wonder if we do the same things emotionally, when we look for people on our 'level.'

As for kids, I'm torn. It would probably be best to go off medications during a pregnancy, but it can't be good to have emotions out of whack while dealing with such big changes. I fear feeling overwhelmed, having negative feelings toward the baby because of it, and imagine the risk for post-partum depression would be extremely high.

I also wonder how I'd be as a mother. My mom was severely depressed my entire life, and I'm just now (in my late 20s) starting to understand how that affected me. I can't stand people jumping around with excitement, screaming, being disorganized, asking pointless questions, or making decisions without researching. People's behaviors have always annoyed me, and I'm finally learning that it's because I was never allowed to behave that way. My mom wouldn't tolerate it. She was too consumed with her own depression and pain to be able to be around childish behavior, so my brother and I learned early on to be silent, unobtrusive, and independent. My biggest fear is having kids, and then raising another generation of depressed, restricted, and irritable kids like I was.

Of course, I have the benefit of modern medications, an earlier diagnosis, and am currently happier than my mom ever was or is. Even with the potential for mood disorders, my kids would be better off than most kids out there. They'd have love, a gene pool full of intelligence and other good characteristics to go along with possible depression, they'd have an education, a home, a wonderful extended family, and a mom that knows more than her mom did about how to treat this inconvenient condition.

I'm going to step back here and say, look at all the kids running around. Some have terrible parents, some have bigger obstacles to overcome than depression, and some are just dumb. If you think you can have kids and have them turn out better than 75% of the other kids out there, then you've done more good than bad. Our most inspirational and innovative role models have all been a little 'off.' Artists, musicians, inventors, people that break records and make major change for the world- none of those people are perfect pictures of mental health.

I'm still undecided. I don't know if my ramblings helped you at all, but I think they helped me. Maybe I'll actually call that guy that I met last night. He was a little odd, but maybe that's what I need!

Best wishes, ranautricularia!

[–]ranautricularia[S] 0 points1 point ago

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They were indeed very helpful. Wow. What you said makes a whole lot of sense, and good luck with the odd guy! :)

[–]zenarche 2 points3 points ago

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I'm the worst piece of shit who has ever lived. I should just do the world a favor and take myself out of the world.

I don't want to "take myself out of the world" because of the fact I have depression/disability. I have depression because of the substantial list of items I can come up with to affirm "I'm the worst piece of shit who has ever lived."

[–]ranautricularia[S] 4 points5 points ago

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What I meant is that depression makes us prone to have these kinds of thoughts. I know that I tend to exaggerate my own badness and my own negative impact on other people, I get it in my head that I can "destroy" people with the sheer force of my own negativity, I feel like I'm a black hole who can suck everyone in. It's a feeling that is often not backed up with too much fact, but that's hard to grasp/understand when one is feeling down.

[–]zenarche 5 points6 points ago

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No, you're absolutely right. I'm in a bad place right now and sometimes I feel like if I respond with how I'm feeling, it might actually help in some way.

Either someone like you will read it and strengthen their own "tools" or arguments to battle depression, or someone else with depression will read it and not feel so alone/so crazy, or someone will read it and tell me how I'm wrong, and then I'll see the light.

Thanks for sharing. I appreciate it. :)

[–]countingchickens 2 points3 points ago

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Thank you. I'm currently in the middle (near the end?) of a particularly bad depression and it's good to hear things like this. I just had my meds upped, so here's hoping the new dosage kicks in soon...

[–]GrowingSoul 2 points3 points ago

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Bless you for this post, it really helped a lot

[–]Tiggs9 0 points1 point ago

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I feel like my depression is caused by others around me. I feel like my parents / teachers / etc. are trying to bring me down. Am I taking them for granted? What should I do?

[–]ranautricularia[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Hey Tiggs9, sometimes we really do live in toxic environments that contribute to our depression. Is there a way for you to get out of it? Are you close to graduation?

[–]Timelines 0 points1 point ago

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Cleft lip isn't a disability. It's a cranio-facial deformity.